his weakness may be foreign policy. biden was chairman of the foreign policy division of the senate for many years, a committee that handled foreign policy in the senate, so i think for paul ryan, who has not had much experience in foreign affairs, he has to have been briefed carefully on those issues. biden will try to trip him up there. patti ann: this may be entertaining. we might all tune in for it, but how important is the vice presidental debate? >> in terms of changing votes, it's not very. it probably won't make a lot of difference in terms of votes, but, look, people got really intrigued with the debates this year because of what happened last week, and you had this enormous audience showing up, 67 million. so people are following this narrative, and it's really up to the vice presidental contenders to continue the narrative, to keep them interested so they'll tune in to the following week's presidential debate. patti ann: you know, the media tends to cling to one or two memorable lines. we just showed some of